Vector Accelerator S1_E7 Your Dreams and Plans
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Halty: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Vector Accelerator podcast, where we delve into the profound journey of veterans navigating the transition from military service to civilian life. Join us as we explore the challenges faced and the critical question for clarity in identity, purpose, and community beyond the uniform. I'm your co host Michael Halterman, my friends call me Halty, and I hope you will too.
I spent about 20 years in the United States Marine Corps. First 10 years as an infantryman and the second 10 years in special operations. The best version of me is always in service to others. I'm joined by my cohost, Joe Lara.
Joe: You know, I joined the Navy to serve four years thinking that was going to be it, but that quickly turned into 24 and it flew by.
Today, the best version of me is serving and hustling for others so that they can find clarity and Halty and I, we're here together and we hope that you can find the best version of [00:01:00] you.
Halty: Joe and I have special guest Bruce Thompson, MBA Bruce did more than 20 years in the United States Marine Corps, but wanted to go to 30 until his health had other plans, and he needs to retire from military service. Bruce talks openly about how hard his personal transition was, how to dream big and not self limit and why connecting with others. is so important. If you are watching this as part of the vector course, you can also watch it again on the vector accelerator YouTube channel.
Please consider liking and subscribing to the YouTube channel to help us continue to deliver meaningful content that helps all veterans find clarity and purpose. In their transition and now our conversation with Bruce.
Welcome Bruce.
Bruce: Hi everybody. How are you doing today?
Halty: Bruce is a Marine Corps veteran and longstanding military community advocate [00:02:00] and mentor.
We're very excited to have him on the show today. We will start off as we always do with an introspective exercise. And so the introspective exercise is really a phrase. And then we want you to complete the phrase. I'll go first. That'll let Bruce build a little bit of time about his thoughts, and then Joe will go, and then, uh, Bruce will, we'll see what your thoughts are.
So here's the phrase. I want to say this in 20 years about my life or my family or my career.
And so the first thing is, is I was reading that and I'll let you both kind of, uh, think on it a little bit as I was thinking about that and digesting it. Um, I want to be able to say in 20 years that I did as much for others as possible.
Um, and maybe, maybe even be so bold as to be able to say, I served as many people as possible. So that's kind of where I'm at in my life right now. And I feel like that's the direction I'm supposed to be going. [00:03:00] Joe, what are your thoughts?
Joe: Oh man. It's it's music to my ears, man. Like I love hearing people that are outward thinking.
Um, it's the same thing. It's about impact. And I think when I think of impact, it's, uh, also tied to just. Nothing earth shattering, it doesn't have to be like, you know, millions of lives were changed kind of thing. It's just people felt good. People felt, um, that, that something positive about, you know, that I was able to contribute to them in some way or another.
So it's, it's been able to reach as many lives as possible. Yeah.
Bruce: Yeah, I, uh, I'm right there with you guys. Uh, I think for me, you know, in 20 years, I won't be able to come back and say, you know, I had a life that was impactful on others. You know, I'm kind of a, that's sports guys. We'll talk about, you know, you have the coaching trees. I want to be able to come back and look in 20 years [00:04:00] and know that I helped people with their military transition, with their, uh, life choice, whoever happened to be impactful enough that they went on to be great.
And, and saying, Hey, look, you know, I worked with, with X and X went and did. Wow. And then, you know, X helped Y and Y helped Z. And we just look at it and it's like that lineage of let my impact be measured. Not only by the direct person I helped, but by the people that my direct person helped. And let's just, you know, grow and, and, you know, it's, it's the multiplication of if I help one and that one helps another, I help two.
And as we keep doing it, they keep doing it. I think that would be just an amazing thing to be able to look back and say, look, I did that.
Joe: Do you remember that, that poem, uh, the Navy poem, the watch, which is usually read on retirement, [00:05:00] military retirements. If you're anybody, if you're in the army, sorry, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the watch, but it's, but it's, but you know, but it's a poem that's usually read at a, at a retirement ceremony for the Navy.
A lot of pomp and circumstance it's going to watch it's, it's, it's pretty cool. And it's basically to your point, Bruce. Hey, like, the people that you've trained, the people that you've developed, like you can go home now and rest assured, like we got it. Everybody you've poured into, everybody you've developed, we got it.
And I think for a lot of us, man, it's a continuation of that. Like, I think that's the best parts of our careers and our past. Like while that career ends and a new chapter begins, we want to pull that stuff forward.
Bruce: Yeah, that's, that's a great way to do it. And you know, for those who haven't heard the watch.
Um, and it's amazing because usually it's done with the flag folding, um, and each fold has, you know, a meeting and a step. And again, when done to the utmost and [00:06:00] we give it that, you know, full pump and circumstance and just like, wow, man, you don't have a dry eye going because there's some people that are just incredible with it.
So definitely go out and check that out on YouTube and you'll see a couple of them. You'd be like, damn, that. That means everything
Joe: Good stuff, man. Good stuff. So this chapter it, uh, I, I really love this chapter. I think a lot of the curriculum, we designed it in such a way where it builds, um, we we've said this in the past.
Maybe you've heard of say, crawl, walk, run, um, just introduction to. Simple things to answer in the journaling process. If you're new to journaling, simple questions that kind of get you started, but it's ultimately kind of aiming towards this one really fun part. Cause transition is daunting. It's full of anxiety, but in the middle of, of this program, we're asking you to dream now.
And, and so that's really what, what this chapter is about. And so dreams and [00:07:00] aspirations. And so, you know, considering the emphasis of figuring out what, you know, what do you want What do you dream about, uh, what are your ambitions, what are your goals, what are your aspirations? And we're talking like big aspirations.
Um, you know, do you mind sharing maybe a personal experience of taking time to identify your passions and strengths and, and, um, and maybe some of your dreams and, uh, and, and how those dreams sort of help shape, maybe your path moving into the civilian life.
Bruce: I'll tell you, it was a really rough transition for me. Um, uh, and I know we'll get into that later on with the question, but, um, I didn't have the answers, you know, I tell people all the time, you know, there's two questions that you, you have to be able to answer to really move forward and have that successful [00:08:00] transition, uh, kind of experience.
You know, and one, who are you outside of the uniform? And two, what do you want to do next? Man, I did not answer those for quite a while. Um, and people might, might look and say, yeah, it seems simple. It is when you hear it, but when you actually work it, man, that's, that's a daunting thing. Um, and so, you know, I, I found my passion, my purpose is to help others not go through this, uh, you know, really bad.
Transition process that I went through, uh, it took me almost a year. So, you know, as I can look back now after, uh, eight years of taking off the uniform. Passion and purpose is to help others, you know, find their greatness, to help others, you know, understand, uh, what it means to transition from the military, to find yourself, to go be the best you can be.[00:09:00]
And, and that's probably as close as you're going to get me to say anything about the army is, is that slip up I just had there, sorry. Um, but, but no, it's. It's, we, we do something so, so long and then all of a sudden you, you get thrown into this new world and it's the, what, what you grasp wants you and what is it that, that pulls you in this direction or that direction.
Um, so I, I'm a big believer that, uh, I am where I'm at because I was supposed to be here. Um, you know, that rough year, I was supposed to go through that because it, it helped form me and helped shift and shape me to understand, you know, the struggles that many face. But we also have to remember those people get out and have no problems, they're day one killing it.
So, you know, we, we hear about the struggles because, you know, that's what we, we all focus to try to help, but there's people out there who, [00:10:00] who knew what they wanted to do before they get out and they jumped into it and are just, wow, uh, setting the tone for people. So we got to make sure we talk both sides of the process.
Halty: Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for sharing that, you know, not, not all transitions are easy. Um, some are tough, uh, and sharing that yours was tough. And as you, as you think about, as you look back now and you think about what is, what is the absolute, you know, the, the, the possible that you could have done.
Right. And so what we're asking the fellow or the, the individuals, the students coming through the courses really open up your aperture And don't, don't limit yourself, don't inhibit yourself as saying, Oh, I could never be at that company. I mean, I don't have a degree or I couldn't be there because, well, I don't have an experience in acts, you know, as you've worked with a lot of veterans now, really letting them not, you know, sell themselves short or under sell that they could learn.
To [00:11:00] get to the next thing is really what we're looking at in this chapter. And so as you, you know, your experiences were working with other veterans, how have you seen that kind of helped them develop into, Oh, wait, maybe I could be at Google or I could be at, you know, in sports professionally, maybe as a coach though, or maybe as a, in another capacity.
Have you seen that happen?
Bruce: Yeah. And I look at everybody and we have this kind of conversation. It was like, I can't do that. I guess. I mean, you know, I, I joined the Marine Corps, you know, so I'm like my contract beginning of my, uh, senior year of high school, you know, people told me, you won't make it through boot campus.
The toughest bootcamp is this, is that, and you go through it and you can accomplish it and then you're like, oh, well you can't do this or you can't do that, man. I love it when people say I can't do something, you know, it's like, okay. Now I have a new goal. My goal [00:12:00] is to prove you wrong is to prove I can do it.
And if we look at, you know, everyone, we all go through this, you know, you can't be done until someone does it. You know, well, I can never work at X, Y, or Z company. Why not? And I tell people all the time, do you even want to work there? Just because you, someone says you can't, is the right place for you. And we hear people talk about, you know, the, the fortune 500 and everybody wants to go work for them.
I'm like, well, do you? Do you want to break out and be an entrepreneur? Do you want to go and work for that midsize? Do you want to be in a nonprofit? You have to understand who are you? And those are those things where, you know, I'll tell people all the time. I know a lot of guys and gals that probably didn't have the highest, you know, GT scores, you know, or IQ scores that are out there running [00:13:00] amazing companies that are doing things that people told them a million times they couldn't do.
Well, they didn't listen to the naysayers. And they said, let me take this in pieces and I'll, I'll bite off this piece. Once I accomplished that one, now here's the next step. And if we look at a goal and you say, well, you know, in five years, I want to be doing this. Well, if all you look at is in five years, I want to be, you know, the CEO of X company, you're probably going to fail with that because you're looking at the end.
And we can go back. And if you're a Franklin Covey person, you know, you'll begin with the end in mind, but break it down into sections. So you understand, I can't eat it all at one time, but piece by piece, I can finish the job.
Joe: Yeah, you bring up some great points, so many good points there. Um, there's definitely some noise for some that sounds like you can't do this, you can't do that, which comes from external, [00:14:00] you know, uh, uh, parts of our life.
But even for the individual, there's, there's some even doubt and, um, Or the naysayers internal. And it's saying, uh, you know, Joe, you can't do this. You, you, you've been doing the military thing. You're going to have to start over from scratch. All your competition, all the civilians have been doing that thing forever.
There's no way you can get into Disney. There's no way you can get named the company name, name the thing. And so that's also happening inside. And so there's, there's definitely some work. And, and I, I really do appreciate Bruce, you sharing how. You know, it was difficult for you. I, I can't tell how many times I've heard that story from many veterans and there's hundreds, thousands of veterans that are, that are stuck, some of it from external, they saying, and some of it from internal.
Um, and so I think this chapter is so important because to halt these point, it's about the, what if it's about possibilities, it's about opening up the aperture. [00:15:00] And that's what we're, that's what we're talking about. Um, cause there's probably some obvious choices that make sense to, you know, get a career, if you want to get a career.
You know, we're asking you to really dream and open up the aperture and one place to do that, or one way to start, you know, in our coursework, we talk, we ask you some questions, questions like what I'm, what are you most interested in? I remember working with an individual, uh, one on one going through these questions, doing some self reflection, then asking them, Hey, I'm, I'm not even sure how to dream.
Like, I've never really dreamt. I've only just executed the mission. I've only done what I was told. Um, went to the orders I was given and then just made the best of what I could do there. And they started asking me, well, do you like music? I'm like, yeah, of course. Like, do you like instruments? Like there's Taylor guitars here in San Diego, they're a company, they make stuff.
And uh, do you like tennis shoes? I'm like, and I, and I just started thinking about all these questions he was asking me, like, what am I interested in? Huh? I never thought about that. [00:16:00] Like, those are things, those are products, those are businesses. It was kinda like a dumb moment, you know? I can't believe that
So, um, you know, I have you, Bruce, have, you've helped people. Um, what have you learned helps draw out from folks from veterans, you know, opening up the aperture, if you will. Like, like if you have a method, do you have a process or do you have a story maybe you'd like to share of maybe witnessing that in others?
Bruce: So one of the first things I tell, uh, individuals. It's just because that's what you did in the military is not what you have to do the rest of your life. Because a lot of people have those blinders and says, I was a great mechanic. I was a great, you know, you know, ordinance guy or gal or I was a pilot or I was aircraft mechanic.
And you're like, that was great. Did you enjoy it? You're like, Well, no, and I'll tell you, I did maintenance management from, from, you know, rolling stock to ordinance to come elect and I was damn [00:17:00] good at it, man. I don't have anything to do with that. You know, it was like, you know, run away from it. And those were, I tell people all the time is, you know, passion and purpose will open up the doors to the things that you want to do, you know?
And sometimes that hits right off the bat and people understand, they know it. Others, hey, you might have to go through that. Hey, this is the job I took to pay the bills. And then I tell people, it's okay. We all have to pay the bills at some point, but that shouldn't be the, because you got started there, you just feel like you're stuck.
It's some people, as I said, know what they want to do before they get out and they're on that path and they've got the goals and they're working towards it. Some people aren't sure. So one of those things you have to do is try different things. Put yourself in a uncomfortable situation, you know, bet on yourself, [00:18:00] go and find out if you like it, or you don't like it.
Uh, and I get people, it's like, you know, as we talk sports, I love sports, you know, I get people like, what's your dream job? I'm like point guard for the Lakers and people like, no, but seriously, I'm like, well, you said dream job. I'm like, come on now. I'm like, I'm, I'm five 11, you know, no, no athletic ability whatsoever, but you said dream job.
Uh, so I know that's not going to be a real thing for me. But it doesn't mean I can't work in the sports entertainment world. It doesn't mean I can't go find, uh, A role for me here or there. And again, that's what people have to understand is everybody tells you, you can't do something or it can't be done until someone does it, you know, we can go back out and talk about, you know, the four minute mile can never be done.
And then it was done and everybody's like, Oh yeah, that's. World class athletes, that's not a big deal whatsoever. You know, [00:19:00] people talk about, you know, a 40 time or people talk about, you know, the invention or starting your own business and how all this works. And it's like, no, these are impossible. Well, everything's impossible until someone does it.
Yeah. So don't let, you know, yourself, and that's a lot of problems we have is we, we in the service, we kind of get conditioned to this is the process and the programs, and we, we do things in X manner. And then you get out and that's kind of all blown up where those, those SOPs and restrictions aren't there.
And you can be free minded and you can kind of go here, here and here. And our service gives us a, a wonderful, um, foundation. But once you have that foundation, man, can you do amazing things? You just got to find the right, uh, partners, the right, you know, champions for you and, and one of the best things to do.
is have as many [00:20:00] informational interviews as possible. Talk to people that have been there and done it and will tell you their story. And you're going to, you know, just like Anthony, you're like, man, that's awesome. Well, you're like, yeah, I don't like that. Have the conversations. It will help you figure out, you know, one, what you really want to do.
Two, lessons learned. So you don't make the same mistakes that everybody else has made. And that'll, that'll make that process a lot smoother for you. So that's where I tell people, you know, don't be restricted by your, uh, your M West, your rating, your armed forces code, and have conversations so you can actually learn.
There's jobs out, out here that. Man, you would have told me when I was like in high school, I could be a, a paid to play video games, man, sign me up. Yeah, nowadays I'm, you know, I'm not smart enough to keep up with all the different games and, and all that, but, you know, there, there's just amazing things you can do.
Talk about, you know, we talked about music, [00:21:00] how many people, you know, can, can mix things on their computer, um, that never was possible before. And all of a sudden it's there, you know, podcasts, you know, TV shows, you know, radio, all these different things. We used to think, you know, you had to know someone who knew someone who knew someone, and now you had a great idea.
You hop on there, you start having it. Next thing you know, you know, you're, you're out there. People are like, wow, like look how many streamers and listeners and viewers I have of this. It's because the right message was hit. You know, you, you hit that topic that people just wanted to hear about. So those are those things where we can't limit ourselves.
To, to what we think we can do, you know, we got to push our, uh, the envelope and not, um, what can we achieve? Not just, you know, push past some of the noise, the naysayers, and especially when we're the naysayers, we have to get over ourselves. [00:22:00]
Halty: You talked a little bit about, uh, informational interviews. Can you expand on that?
How many should I do? When should I start doing it? Who should I talk to? Is there anybody I can or I can't reach out to?
Bruce: So, um, you should have as many of them as possible. You should start today. Um, it. As everything, you know, we can come back and say, you know, I have to do, you know, I have to get this far.
Well, if you have to get this far, you can't do that today, but today I can get this far and then I can get this far. So as soon as you start, the sooner you're taking those chunks, um, ask for who you should talk to. Say you want to get a job in cybersecurity. Well, talk to people that are in cybersecurity.
Um, you can go back to, and there's different mentorship platforms. Uh, I'm a fan of Veterati American Corporate [00:23:00] Partners, and these are mentorship ideas where you can find people that are saying, Hey, I'm open to conversation. Let's, let's talk. You can go on LinkedIn. You can go on Instagram or Twitter, uh, or X, you know, however you want to call it.
And you can find people that this is what they talk about. Reach out to them. Maybe they say no, maybe they say yes. Again, you're going to hear no way more than you hear yes. But when you get those yeses, take advantage of them, have those conversations, have, you know, five or six questions in mind. And most of the questions are ask, ask something to let someone tell you.
How they got to where they are, how they were successful. What were the things that they wish they would have known? What are some of those things that made them successful? What are those things that they learned the hard way and let them talk about it? Cause there's nothing better than insider information, industry insights.
Uh, [00:24:00] I tell people all the time, I don't want to have anything to do with Fanki. I had a conversation the other day with someone who's running a military and veterans program at a top, you know, financial Institute. It was a great conversation. You know, once we took it and it's like, Hey, I'm not looking for a job to get in here, I'm having a conversation for you more of the HR aspect.
And it was like, Oh, okay. And we had that conversation for 40 minutes. And this is one of those like, wow, guys, who's, who's got there, who's made it. And this is like his fourth different large, you know, career. And, and he's out there giving me 40 minutes of his time. Um, because someone introduced us on LinkedIn, have those conversations, conversations matter, conversations, open doors.
And you don't have to have, you know, 5 hours of conversations, like I said, have those about 5 to 6 questions, have them be open ended where the individual gets to talk [00:25:00] about their processes, their experiences. And have your notepad ready, you know, those are how you get started. And again, don't be, um, you know, deterred because someone says no.
All right. Hey, you know, if they respond to you and say, hey, you know, I really don't have time right now. Thank them for replying back. If they don't reply, don't pester them. Move on to the next one. You know, this is where we go. Um, but yeah, As many as you can have them often. I tell people schedule, you know, two or three a week.
And once you have a conversation, say, you know, I reach out and I have a conversation with Joe, when we get done, Hey, Joe, I really appreciate this. Who's like one or two people that you think I should talk to next? And Joe's probably just like, Oh, well, let me introduce you to, and so there you get that warm handoff.
So when you get a referral, whether it's for a conversation, for a interview, [00:26:00] for a position. It makes a door open a little bit wider for you and people are more receptive to that. So how those conversations build that network.
Joe: Yeah, that's, man, I hope those that are listening to this podcast, they've most likely hopefully went through the first few chapters leading up to this one, and they're hearing some recurring themes.
And what's awesome is you're just driving home some really important points. Connection to others. Like you can, you can Google search all you want. You can look up indeed, uh, LinkedIn jobs. There's all kinds of opportunities out there. If you want to go the career path, right? Maybe some of you are listening and you're like, and you don't want to get a job right away.
You want to go to academia and you're trying to pay a school. Whatever it is you think you want to do, or maybe you're just in pure discovery mode because you're not quite sure conversations is a great thing to do. And I love hearing you say and emphasize Bruce to be prepared, take notes. Um, Ask [00:27:00] good questions.
And then one thing I want to add to is part of the work that we've asked you to do up until this chapter is get an inventory of yourself and your strengths and your values. So just like you said earlier, Bruce, like whatever you did before, if you were a mechanic, what aspects of the job that you love, maybe.
Maybe you were a really good project manager or program manager, maybe you were very artistic, you know, um, um, sorry, like organized or if you're just very, like, super, uh, hyper-focused on data or whatever that might be the best parts of the job that you did. Maybe not the job itself, but parts of the job.
Bring that into your conversation. So when you're in an, you know, an information interview. You're asking good questions, expect, maybe it's kind of like a tennis match. They might ask you a question. So tell me about you. And if you're in the side of, man, I don't know what I want to be one. It's understandable, but start with, you know what?
I'm in discovery mode and I'm here to just learn from you. But these are the things that I love to [00:28:00] do. I love to solve problems. I love, and they just kind of go down your checklist and inventory. Of what you've done to reflect on who you are and share that. I think that's really important.
Bruce: Yeah. And, and I'll tell you, I love that.
Cause I talked to people, like I said, you know, you got to figure out, you know, there's two questions, you know, and one being, what do you want to do? Well, sometimes what do you want to do is a very hard question, but if you can start coming out and saying, I know what I don't want to do. You can narrow that search down and say, okay, you know, Hey, I don't want to work in cyber security or it.
Great. Let's move away from that. Hey, I don't want to work in, you know, retail. Great. We're moving away from it. And all of a sudden, you know, you go from, you know, the, the whole 360 piece of the pie to, okay, well I'm down to like a hundred percent of the pie or, you know, a hundred degrees of that. And you're like, okay, I get rid of 260.
This makes it a lot easier for me to slim down. And then we have those conversations and people start drawing them [00:29:00] back out. And again, your conversations matter. There's different perspectives and different ways to look at it. And, you know, I love telling people all the time, Hey, I was really good at maintenance management, but I didn't like it, but what I liked was the problem solving.
Was resource management was understanding, you know, when it had all this maintenance management, who are my technicians that could do X, Y, and Z. Knowing my team, knowing my personnel, having relationships. So I'm like, I'm not just going to give this job to, you know, whoever's next. This job's going to be best served by doing it with person A.
Oh, the person C is really good at this one. So you, you spread loaded that in the right manner. You know, anyone can just say, okay, well. Next ticket up goes to the next available technician. It'll get done. But was it done the best? And so those are where we have to pick and choose. [00:30:00] I, I am not your data guy, but I know a Marine retired, we call him major data.
He will look at a spreadsheet and he will smile and be like, I see magic happening. I looked at a spreadsheet and I get a headache, you know? So understanding, like, as you said. What makes us click, what makes us really go, you know, and we can start saying, okay, I love talking data. Okay. Well, what jobs would be best suit?
What industries would be best suited? And the other thing we have to remember is, you know, people like when they look for jobs, there's that mindset of, well, I don't want to work for a bank. Or I don't want to work at a hospital, you know, I'm not a doctor, a nurse. Why would I ever even consider a hospital?
Because there's so much more than just, you know, being a doctor or a nurse that happens within a hospital. There's all these different opportunities. And that's where a lot of people, um, don't get themselves. They don't understand. So, you know, being able to, to back away, see [00:31:00] perspective really goes a long way.
Joe: Yeah, Bruce. Thank you. Thank you so much, man. I really do appreciate that. Um, just, just one final story I want to share before we wrap things up here. I remember going through this process of trying to dream and I was the one that was stuck at the time, but I remember this other veteran and, uh, and he was talking about beer, imagine a veteran talking about beer and he had, he had this, this vision of being the first organic brewery.
Uh, this is like in, I don't know, 20, 20, 15 ish or so. And, um, being in San Diego, there's like the Mecca of all these craft brews and it's, it's, it's pretty awesome living in San Diego, just a little shout out San Diego, but, uh, but he, he, he had this dream and vision of creating the first organic beer. He got a, he got an information interview with, with the, with the CEO of a major organic brand in San Diego.
And the guy said, Nope, not going to happen. Not going to [00:32:00] happen in a million years. Long story short, the guy is super successful, has his own brewery, saved up his own money to, like, refuse to take out loans to get things started. Um, got his MBA, did all the research, got it up and running and became successful, pushed through COVID and is still running a very successful business.
And um, and he dreamed, he dreamed big and, and he's crushing it. So it's just so cool to see it as a veteran. And I'm glad that Proud is calling my friend and, uh, and get a free beer every now and then when I go see him, but, uh, but it's, it's so cool, man. And there's, there's lots of stories like that. And so I thought, I hope our listeners are listening to this and just considering.
Dreaming big, right? Just go for it. You got nothing to lose and just start having conversations with people. Um, just gather as much intel as you can. So thanks again, Bruce, for joining us. Um, Bruce, if, if people want to find you, what's the best way to get ahold of you?
Bruce: Here's where to find me is [00:33:00] on LinkedIn.
Bruce Thompson, MBA. Uh, I'm not hard to find once you, once you type me in there, I. I know a person or two.
Joe: That's awesome. Hey, thanks again, man, for taking the time and healthy. Just always a pleasure to hang with you, man. Um, you know, folks transitioning from military to civilian, as you've heard from Bruce and many of our prior guests, it's, it's not easy.
It's going to be a really challenging thing to do on your own, but with others. That's, that's the best way we've, we've seen it time and time again. So we're highly encourage you to don't transition alone. Uh, we want to invite our guests to head over to vector accelerated. org where you can download our transition checklist and also enroll in vector accelerators, self guided virtual course to accelerate your journey to clarity, conviction and confidence.[00:34:00]
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