Scott Schimmel (00:00)
Hey, Joe, look at us. are we're matching.
Joe Lara (00:04)
We didn't even try. It just.
Scott Schimmel (00:05)
Dude, we're in the
vector accelerator uniform, black polos, black rimmed glasses. I'm missing the hat and the muscles, but otherwise we're looking like twinsies. Dude, couldn't, this is as big as I will get. Okay, so.
Joe Lara (00:11)
There you go. Just need a ball cap.
Scott Schimmel (00:24)
I mean, you better be grateful that I lift weights and eat a lot of protein. would just be knocked down by the wind. So if you're listening, you're missing out on what we look like, you're wanna check this out on YouTube. All of these episodes, by the way, are on YouTube and on Apple podcasts and on the Vector Accelerator website. So here you're talking to me, Scott, him, Joe, and what we wanna talk about today is we just wrapped up another cohort of many veterans going through Vector Accelerator this morning.
Joe Lara (00:43)
There you go.
Scott Schimmel (00:55)
And Joe, tell us about what that was all about.
Joe Lara (00:58)
So we had about 180 people on a call on a virtual like Zoom call or whatever. ⁓ Marcus, who you just interviewed recently, like last week. ⁓ Yeah, yeah. He had another group of veterans going through the transition process that his incredible organization, Allegiant Vets, Allegiant Vets, no big deal. ⁓ They've been helping thousands of veterans, ⁓ but Marcus asked us to help.
Scott Schimmel (01:08)
Yeah, two episodes ago.
Allegiant vets.
Joe Lara (01:27)
with this piece, Vector Accelerator is kind of fitting in nicely. ⁓ these folks are, some are active duty, some are, I found out are like reservists that are coming across Marcus's organization. And so they're going through and they're logging in and they're in career transitions. And that can mean in any phase. So it could be, hey, I have nine more months to my contract in the military and then I'm gonna be a civilian. Others could be,
I've been out for some time and I haven't found anything. ⁓ That's okay. so luckily you and I have this incredible opportunity to serve. Well, is it a hundred, a hundred something veterans who have a bunch of question marks lingering over their head. And I'm sure a lot of them thought, when are we doing the resume writing or something? I don't know. I I'm guessing that's kind of where their mind is at. But yeah, yeah. So we, we presented the.
Scott Schimmel (02:17)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (02:26)
the course to them and we facilitated the questions. You did a great job. I love your story. I've heard it a million times, Scott.
Scott Schimmel (02:34)
Yeah, I feel terrible about that. Sorry.
Joe Lara (02:35)
No,
no, but you don't say it like it's it's like Jordan, you know, when Michael Jordan would play a game. He's like, you know what, there might be somebody in the stands that's never watched Michael Jordan play. And that's how you approach this. You like, you know what? These people have clearly don't know who I am. I need to bring it and send it. And you did like it's, just, it's always lands well. Cause I'm watching everybody's faces. I don't know if you watch the faces. Do you, don't know where your eyes go on the screen. I do. I want to see the head. ⁓
Scott Schimmel (02:44)
Mm. Mm.
You know what? No, I try not to.
I just look at my face the whole time. just stare at
yours truly. Yeah.
Joe Lara (03:07)
I want to see the head nod. I want to see the arms folded. want to see the,
know, whatever, whatever their people telegraph, ⁓ physically and even on camera. That's why cameras on is pro tip cameras on for, for training. Always do cameras on. ⁓ they were engaged dude, like, like from, the very beginning where you tell your story. And I think that's a really good, mean, I mean, might as well talk about it. This is where I got better, Scott.
because you were complimenting me in the background as we're doing this. Like I learned from you and you do so well. so veterans that are listening to this, we tell stories for a reason. And I think this is where the storytelling can help with your career transition when you get to the interview and when you get to your ultimate job, because guess what? You're going to get a job and now you have to actually work. But you can actually tell stories if.
to your employers and associates and whoever through storytelling, you can win people over. And it's how do you win people over? It's through engaging, thoughtful, ⁓ trust building conversation, which usually means you have to be a little bit vulnerable, you know? And so you model that so well that I feel empowered to do it. And guess what happens when you do that, we put them in breakout rooms and they start doing it.
Scott Schimmel (04:30)
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (04:31)
They don't know us, but
within like minutes, they are telling stories that are real and authentic. And then that person triggers somebody else's thought. And then now you have this awesome conversation about real feelings. And we're not talking about resumes now. It's like, it's insane, but it's cool.
Scott Schimmel (04:49)
I, well, thank you for saying that. That is nice. And I have also grown to become a storyteller. I never told stories at all. And I still don't really in my natural life, I think I've discovered the value of them, particularly in settings like this. And I've had to work really, really hard deliberately to tell more and more personal stories. And I'm always worried about two things. One, ⁓
I am worried about someone who's heard me say this before, like you in the room, or Ryan Nixon is part of the Honor Foundation crew, who's heard these stories before. cannot, I don't know why, but I cannot stand the fact that someone has heard me say this before. It bothers me so much. So I have to work through that. But second, ⁓ I'm worried, I'm always worried that people are going to think that the reason I'm telling stories is because I think very highly of myself. And I have to push through that as well, because I really don't. ⁓
Joe Lara (05:24)
huh.
Mmm.
Mmm.
Scott Schimmel (05:45)
I do it a little bit. I respect myself in a healthy way. But I don't, you know, I don't want that to be the barrier because I believe that what we are promising in vector accelerator sounds to most ears like BS. And it sounds like ⁓ either hyperbole, like an over promise, or it sounds like another tick tock or Instagram reel of like you can get, you know, crush your transition. I think it
Joe Lara (05:48)
Sure. Sure.
Mm.
Right.
Scott Schimmel (06:14)
for many people goes in that category. And then I want to push through that. I want to as quickly as possible say we are real people having real conversations around stuff that actually matters. And I think the quickest way to do that is to avoid bullet points or resumes, but get to like just having a real conversation. So he who tells stories, number one wins and he who tells stories first, I think controls or directs where things go. So, that's true as to your point for interviews.
And it's also true for relationships. And I think it's also true for ourselves, which you and I have been nerds on people like Emily Esfahani-Smith, who wrote a great book called The Power of Meaning, has an excellent TED talk. And her stuff is from Dan McAdams, who goes back to the 1970s, who developed this psychology kind of concept of narrative identity, which is in a nutshell, we think of ourselves through story, not just because we're, you know, Hollywood.
Joe Lara (06:44)
Yeah.
yeah.
Hmm
Scott Schimmel (07:12)
Neophytes, but because that's how humans work. It's always been stories in a cave You know drawings on a wall to around a campfire like we are we are a storytelling species So why not start there? Why skip the stories and get to bullet points? And I think especially if you're looking at an MOS to a resume and trying to translate that how much more so do we need to like? What is the story there? Who are you like all that stuff needs to give time to breathe?
Joe Lara (07:17)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Schimmel (07:41)
and kind of look at and shift around and I don't know, try to put one of these over here and stick them together. And my guess is my question for you, because you've done this just as long as I have and many times I have with veterans. What percentage of a room like today do you think we don't convince? What percentage do we never get? How many times in the THF classroom when there's 40 fellows in a classroom? I think a good chunk are already ready to go.
when they show up. And then there's a whole group in the middle who got their arms crossed like, I don't know about this. But then there's always, and I don't know if it's two, 10, but out of 40, there's like, it just feels like there's people that will never go there for a variety of reasons, whether it's trauma, past history, ⁓ they hate my face. mean, it's just like, ⁓ so what's, what is your hunch out of 175 today? How many people are just like not going there? Can't go there.
Joe Lara (08:26)
Yeah.
you
Yeah, I think you nailed the averages pretty well. ⁓ But here's my take on it though. I 100 % tracking everything you're saying ⁓ as far as the disposition of the room at that moment where people are at for various reasons. But I'm also, think I'm on the realist side of things where inside like you and I are hopeful, optimistic.
that we want everybody to hear this. And so we've built a program. We worked really hard to figure out how do we get this material in front of all veterans? It's got to be on a website. It's got to be accessible, all these things, right? But we also realize there's not going to be 200,000 transitioning veterans that take Vector Accelerator. OK, so if that's a classroom, so we're saying we're in a classroom with 170,000 whatever veterans, now they have access. So that's check filled. They're all online. We got them.
Scott Schimmel (09:16)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:37)
But we know also that one, are they mentally ready to receive? And I mean, if you look at the stats of people that have college under their belt, a lot of people have taken college classes but aren't doing the job related to their education. Your story is very much like that. And so would those professors look at you and be so proud, man, I spent all this time on making sure Scott could be this amazing CPA and da, da, da, da, da.
Scott Schimmel (09:54)
Right. Yep.
Ha
Joe Lara (10:06)
If he's built U school, what the hell is that? You know, I don't know. ⁓ vector accelerated the one that got away. ⁓ you know, it's every facilitators and teachers dream. think we, we hope that people, even as parents, we hope that we can educate and train and help people become aware. But the reality is the mind might not be ready. And so, ⁓ it's, it's, it's, and I think I've said this on another podcast, but when the, when the.
Scott Schimmel (10:08)
Yeah, I'm the one that got away.
Joe Lara (10:34)
When the student is ready, the teacher arrives philosophy. And so yes, they're physically there, but they're not mentally or their heart is not ready for it. And they're just hearing these words and phrases and that's okay. Cause it's planting seeds. Right. And I can't tell you how many times I have been in the room thinking I'm, I'm all in, I'm all in. And I'm taking copious notes, but I'm still not getting it. I think I'm getting it. And I think I figured it out.
Scott Schimmel (10:45)
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah. Right.
Joe Lara (11:01)
I I had many nights like that at the Honor Foundation when I was looking at these questions, writing stuff out like, I know where this is going. The Titanic sinks. I know what happens in this story. ⁓ But then five years later, 10 years later, reflecting back saying, holy crap, I was looking at this two dimensional, it's not even three dimensional, it's layered. It's like that crazy ⁓ chess game from that nerd show. ⁓
Scott Schimmel (11:07)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:31)
man, I can't remember now, but it's like, yeah, Sheldon, like that whole layer chest thing. ⁓ It's like, that's really what it's like. And so I want every student to get it. And I know there's gonna be arms folded. And so I even mentioned on today's call, I don't know if you heard me, but like labor statistics, everybody, veterans are getting jobs.
Scott Schimmel (11:50)
yeah.
Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:53)
And I've said this inside the honor foundation classroom. So I never really repeat what I say inside the classroom. Cause it's usually just those, those gents and those ladies and gents that are going through the transition process. But we had one guy, it was a nice air arms folded. Like this is not like, why do we need to know our purpose? And why do we need to know this? And I said, you know, you're going to get a job, right? Like the labor, labor statistics, the data is on your side to get a job. So what are you doing here? Why are you in that seat right now? And I can feel the heat like kidding them.
Scott Schimmel (12:08)
huh.
Joe Lara (12:22)
And every reason the class like, Joe's going there. I'm like, hell yeah, we're going there. Like, it's like, well, because you know, you know, and it's like, dude, like, you don't need to be here. Like, if you don't want this, walk out, like, go get the job, go do go do your thing. But if you want to stay and push yourself in a way that is not going to come natural, because this is not these conversations are not natural. They're just not.
Scott Schimmel (12:24)
Hahaha.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Uh-huh.
Yeah. Well, that's
the other, I mean, the other part of that is, and you just kind of set it up like the classroom interaction is also what we're trying to do to help break down some of the walls. And it's an interesting dance because there's always people that will raise their hand. And I'm so grateful for that, whether it's on a zoom call or a live classroom, people will, there's always a few that'll just kind of raise their hand. And then the fine line.
for us as facilitators is who's raising their hand that is adding the context to the classroom and who's raising their hand that everyone started to be annoyed by. Like the pee, the teacher's pet, and it is a fine line. I'm usually so grateful when someone starts that, but by the seventh or eighth time they're contributing again, I'm like, dude, read the fricking room. And then I think what's different, and I'm just thinking about this as you're sharing, that I think we can do,
At least we haven't figured out how to do this yet in a Zoom setting. But in a live setting, we can typically read and see the body language of someone who's like just not going there yet. And then you can do things like during a break, go talk, kind of come upside and long side and try to figure out what's going on. And then sometimes you're gonna say, hey, just for those of you who are not going there right now, just love to hear from you, why not?
Joe Lara (14:01)
Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (14:12)
And in a context of a live room, you can kind of do that. I don't know if I've figured out how to do that yet in a zoom call, because I don't want to like the chat to go off the rails and be like, this is so stupid. Why aren't we, you know, why we waste our time with this? That can get pretty dark pretty quickly. But I do think there is a value in giving the space for that, except I remember there's one guy whose name rhymes with flayson back in the THF classroom who just was so antagonizing.
Joe Lara (14:22)
Sure.
real quick.
Scott Schimmel (14:42)
to the whole process for class after class. And I was doing what you were doing. Like, dude, you don't have to be here. You know, it from respectful to, hmm, thanks for sharing that you don't see a point in this to like, there he is raising his hand saying, I really don't, I'm like, then it went to dude, get out of here. And so I don't want that, but I do want the unspoken things to be said. So I don't know if you have any thoughts on how do we, how do we create the space where it's not just an echo chamber of this is awesome. This is really helpful.
Joe Lara (14:48)
Yeah.
Yeah, well, think it's asking. So there's ways to ask questions, right? And so we can ask a question. Hey, this session in Vector Accelerator, it was useful, right? Like you're going to get everybody to say yes, right? And maybe one person say, ⁓ was okay, right? But a better question is what sucked about this class? And you said it well, man, this is what I love working with you because you get veterans. You might...
Scott Schimmel (15:21)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. ⁓
Joe Lara (15:39)
Sound like, I don't know. wasn't a veteran. didn't serve, but you've been with us for deck for over a decade now. Like, you know how we're wired and you know, you're to get on this feedback. And I remember asking. honor foundation class. Hey, we just, we just conducted this, this class and actually needed some feedback on it because I wasn't convinced that it was a good useful class. And the questions we were asking them that I was told to ask them at the time was like, Hey, is this useful? You know, um, yes or no. And of course everybody's gonna say, yeah, sure. It's useful.
Scott Schimmel (15:41)
⁓ huh.
the
Joe Lara (16:07)
You know, but, ⁓ this, this, this pen is useful, but like, is it going to really be helped me let's rephrase the question. So what's up? And I think when we talk about transition, Hey, what makes it so hard? So we have this concept of being vulnerable. What keeps us from being vulnerable? What prevents you from going there? Like, why do want to look weak? Why not? What's driving that? And just keep asking what questions and tell me more how, and in the root of that, people start, you know, kind of.
Scott Schimmel (16:11)
Right? Right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (16:36)
They're verbalizing
something that usually isn't verbalized. And in that discussion comes more clarity and understanding of themselves and what's preventing them and their roadblocks. And so I know I was suffering from a lot of mental roadblocks in my transition, but it wasn't until I started talking about the stuff that I thought were barriers or what's getting in my way. ⁓ that's what it, now I see it. What do want to do with it?
Scott Schimmel (16:39)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (17:05)
I think that's one way we can invite veterans to kind of go there without destroying the classroom, right?
Scott Schimmel (17:13)
Yeah,
and we shared this today with this group and we'll share it out loud in this podcast. We are tracking data. So we are getting pre and post surveys. We are getting feedback. And you're right, it is both the qualitative tell us what sucked, but it's also, ⁓ how helpful was this on a scale of one to five or one to seven? Then you get the weights of it. And I don't have it in front of me. And maybe next week we'll kind of dig into the impact report, but we have a fresh impact report.
Joe Lara (17:39)
we should.
We should do that.
Scott Schimmel (17:40)
And I think it's
still getting final edits on like typos and stuff, but the data is there. We are, think, walking, let's say with more swagger that this blank actually works. So that does give us not just the track record of 10 years plus, but also we have real smart people who know professionally, measure, do programs like this actually make a difference in people's lives? Telling us beyond, ⁓
Joe Lara (18:07)
It's empirical, yeah, empirical data.
Scott Schimmel (18:09)
question that this is actually making a difference in just a short amount of time. What I want to tee up, however, is I won't divulge what this particular participant shared this morning, but someone in the call towards the end essentially said, hey, I'm not, not only am I not getting clarity yet, but this is causing and her quote unquote, I'm feeling like I'm having a panic attack right now because I don't know how to answer any of these questions. And I thought you did such a great job of responding to her.
Joe Lara (18:29)
Anxiety.
Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (18:39)
because she, there was a bunch of comments in the chat of like, yeah, thank you for naming how I'm feeling as well. So she was sharing something that maybe we couldn't pick up on that we ought to, know, ⁓ note to selves, let's pay attention more to that. And even maybe verbalize that on her behalf. Cause there are people around the room like you're sharing about yourself who are like, I'm doing the work, but I'm not seeing the clarity yet. with that, what is your...
Joe Lara (18:45)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (19:07)
to that to someone who's like, okay, I'm doing this. I want to figure out clarity. the further I go, the more overwhelmed I get, the more confused I am.
Joe Lara (19:17)
Yeah, I appreciate that question. My response would vary depending on what's being said in the time and the moment, right? But I remember you made me think of ⁓ the physical journaling of these questions in the classroom, which I love creating that space for veterans. We do that during vector, right? We want pen to paper ideally. Some people type up pen to paper. And I remember inviting a room full of veterans to do the same thing. Give them 20 minutes.
And you could see arms folded pens down the paper still like two minutes in three minutes in others. There's other people that are writing like ferociously, like, know, almost drooling like, this is amazing. You know, whatever they're like, they're having the healing moment or something. I don't know. But 20 minutes later goes by and I'm like, Hey, I'm not going to ask you what you wrote. Cause that's personal. What did it feel like? Right. And then, so obviously the ones that had a.
Scott Schimmel (19:50)
Ha ha ha ha
Yeah.
Joe Lara (20:11)
guess good time. They're like, I've never done this before. This is great. I was in expecting it. And so you hear some really cool things that like, I'm like, yes, I'm like, yes, this is great more. And almost always there's somebody that's handed goes, this was BS. This, this was awful. Like I didn't make any progress. In fact, I feel like worse, you know, cause you're and, so I don't say, well,
Scott Schimmel (20:31)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, worse. I feel less clear, less sure, less hopeful. Whoopsie.
Yeah.
Joe Lara (20:41)
You're going to get a job. You don't need to be here. No, I don't say it then
of course, but, but no, if anything, it's, you, and you do this well too. It's like this empathy piece, right? Cause we know what it's like to feel that heat and it's the mental block. It's all the, knows what exactly what it is for that person, but there's a struggle. And so I think what I kind of wanted a phrase for, for this person on the call was if you're in a struggle, the struggle is actually a good place to be. It's a healthy place to be.
Scott Schimmel (21:09)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (21:11)
If it's, if it's like the fact that you can even share that is awesome. If you don't say anything and you just completely log off, I'm totally sorry. I hope that doesn't happen. But the fact that you're voicing that it's hard, you're struggling with it. That is really healthy. And the reason why I say that, ⁓ I look back and you've done this too. Every time you've, you've ever had a triumphant moment.
It wasn't because life's been good and the trajectory has been uphill. It's, it's because you're probably trying to recover from something that was really hard. That's where you get some crazy momentum and life blood pumps back in you and you feel invigorated. like, I'm not sobbing now. Cause life is up and down. And so it's like, she's going through the struggles. Like, man, she's exercising right now. She's doing a, a 400 pound deadlift right now. And, and it's not moving, but she's damn, she's trying.
Scott Schimmel (21:44)
Mm-mm. Yeah. Yep.
Joe Lara (22:10)
Other people are doing a hundred pound deadlift and it's moving. And they're saying, Hey, look at me. I'm moving on. Good. Good for you. You're, you're on a different pace. You're on a different path. And so for her, I just wanted to congratulate the struggle and just say, look, this is going to take time. This is going to take work, but you're on the right, you're doing the right things. You know, that's kind of. Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (22:12)
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's actually maybe
the sign that she's on the right path. And we didn't have a lot of time to engage with her right towards the end. But to go like deeper and esoteric, I think I was thinking of the hero's journey concept for someone like that. And that's too long to get into on this episode, but let's just look at a butterfly like caterpillar in order to transform and find the true potential. The path between here and there, it's going to be a little rough, like
Joe Lara (22:31)
It was super tiny.
Mm, yes.
Scott Schimmel (22:55)
If you were to warn the caterpillar, hey dude, can you imagine flying and being so majestic that everyone's in awe of you? Like, do you want that? Yeah, well, you know, sorry, there's a little, like check the fine print. It's gonna be the undoing of all things that you know. We're actually gonna rip you to shreds, turn you into primordial goo in order to rebuild you. And that might be what it feels like for a little bit. I think the phrase I've...
Joe Lara (23:03)
What?
Mm-hmm.
Scott Schimmel (23:23)
⁓ used over the years that probably sounds too trite when someone is going through that is trust the process. Trust the process. Like because there's other people have done this who've been where you are who never kind of kept going. They took that as an indicator that this isn't working. So they press the easy button and just avoided that. Well, typically they're on a loop of doom. They'll be back in six months or six years.
Joe Lara (23:32)
Mm.
Scott Schimmel (23:52)
of like, my God, I still don't know and I don't know who I am. Or you can trust the people that dug in and jumped into that chrysalis or the cocoon, whatever that's called, and just sat there for really as long as it takes and did things that we recommend like 50 cups of coffee, not one five, five zero cups of coffee. I don't think people really understand how hard that is and why.
Joe Lara (24:17)
my gosh.
Scott Schimmel (24:18)
That's not a random number. It is an exponentially large number. ⁓ But we actually mean it. It's going to take a while. It's going to take a lot more than you think. And right now we're offering clarity in three short modules. ⁓ And we are seeing impact. It is actually delivering on what we're promising, over delivering. However, if you're not done after three short modules, like there's more work. You're not done yet. So you're not done yet. And ⁓
Joe Lara (24:26)
Mm-hmm.
It's moving the needle. It's moving the needle for sure.
Scott Schimmel (24:48)
And I don't know where, you know, don't know your position where you're at in terms of how much money you need to make by when. I don't know the runway you have, but if you have any runway, trust our voices that's ⁓ made. serve as the guides to the hero, the main character in the hero's journey and whisper to you like, Hey, keep going. It's going to be all right. Trust us that this will work, that you will see these dots connect and you will be on a better path. I don't know if you can be a butterfly.
Joe Lara (24:53)
my God.
Scott Schimmel (25:18)
but it's going to be better than the path that you're on, which is the last exercise right now of the current version of vector accelerator. It's that good, better and best version. So we want to encourage you to dream of the best version of your life, which is a different track, a different trajectory. And in order to get there, it's going to take some ooze, some oozing, some, I don't know, some undoing in order to figure out what that new thing is.
Joe Lara (25:45)
Yeah, think you said it so well. The one piece I would add to it too is don't do it alone. Don't transition alone. so I'm glad that this person was able to talk about their spouse and say that they're having conversations about the transition and the anxiety. I'm like, okay, good. That's one person. Who else do you have? Like who else? And so we've baked in into this whole process of guides and other people.
And we are encouraged in the program to bounce these ideas off of each other. And guess what? I had the conversation with my wife back in 2015 when I was doing this. Honey, I don't know. I don't know what this question means. You know, I'm stuck. And like, that's a real conversation that happened in the Laura house. It just is, you know, and, um, and then having it with Greg and other people, like, I don't know what this means. Like, you know, not that they have answers.
Scott Schimmel (26:23)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Joe Lara (26:43)
Because sometimes they're scratching their head too. dude, I don't know what to tell you. But in more of those conversations in the 50 Cups of Coffee, you start having these themes of, what about that? What about the possibilities? And for some reason, man, the more harder it is and the more you surround yourself with people, the growth starts to occur and then it starts accelerating. And maybe that's why we call it vector accelerator, because I don't know.
Scott Schimmel (27:09)
Yeah. yeah. Wait, ⁓ we're
going to accelerate you to the right vector. Well, as a wrap up, I did remember as you're sharing that the first time met your wife, I met him at an event. was probably your graduation from THF. And I think she, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but she said something like, wow, this really got him talking. Something like that. Like it was, it wasn't just a, it wasn't like, thank you. let, was like, it was more like a, whoa, kind of vibe. Like this got, this got him talking.
Joe Lara (27:14)
Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (27:39)
And she wasn't the first or the last to say that. So it can get messy. think that's what we don't share much in our marketing materials. Hey, this might get messy. You might have more anxiety and stress if you go through this than less. might, because we're disrupting the vector. We're changing. If you were just going to go get a good job and have a good life and we're starting to whisper to you, there's something else out there. There's another path. There could be another story for you.
Joe Lara (27:40)
yeah.
Scott Schimmel (28:09)
And the promise is it's there, but it's not going to be easy. So if you're sitting there listening and you're the next Marcus Haney running an Allegiant Vets, version of that with other veterans, we would love to connect with you and explore how Vector Accelerator can slip into the programming that you're offering. So give us a shout, give us a holler, shoot us a direct message or get in touch with us. If you know how to use the internet, you can find us. And Joe, thanks for being on the journey.
I think we're both out of gas for today. Until next time, no more talking. We're done.
Joe Lara (28:42)
spent.
