Vector Accelerator (00:02)
Joe, welcome back to another episode of the Vector Accelerator podcast. We are accelerating our way through this year and something that happens this time of year that I'm figuring out is that people are getting more more busy and probably now a couple times a day when I'm trying to set up meetings and conversations with people, I'm getting, this has got to wait till after the holidays and.
Joe Lara (00:09)
You
Mm.
Vector Accelerator (00:30)
And that certainly is going to happen more and more over the next week or two. People, there's a lot of people to shut down. And for those of you who are listening and you're in transition, you're likely going to experience the same thing if you haven't been seen it yet. People, you're urgent, you're ready to work, you're ready to rock. You want to get in the door. And they're just like, well, no rush on our end because we've got the holidays and maybe budgeting kind of shifts after the holidays. So what we
and this is your idea, wanted to dig into in this episode is what do do when you're stuck? And there's like one side of that is feeling stuck and we'll address that. And the other side of it is stuck, stuck. You really can't make any headway. So with that, welcome Joe, how are you doing and what are you stuck on right now?
Joe Lara (01:18)
I'm doing great and feeling stuck kind of feels common sometimes like to your point, things do slow down in business. I remember it slowing down kind of in the military a bit too. And it depends on where you're at. If you're on deployment, there's no slowing down. It's just go, go, But back in the States, there is kind of a little bit of a lull. People kind of, if they're fortunate, take leave and go visit their family and across the country. the same thing happens in business. Things just kind of typically slow down.
⁓ After going through that period numerous times now, I would say it's kind of a gift. ⁓ It's different when there's a sense of urgency to your point of like, I need a job and why are people getting back to me? That can be frustrating. ⁓ But yeah, think feeling stuck is a normal thing on the personal journey. ⁓ And I have some ideas about that. ⁓ But which way do you want to go? Do you want to go on the personal side or you want to go on the
Vector Accelerator (02:17)
Well, that's okay. think one of the things we always do with vector, there's the felt need is probably I'm stuck, stuck. So we can get into some tactics on that. But the more important stuff is how you're feeling stuck emotionally. And I get discouraged. I'm sure you do too. Especially when I can't get the response I want, or I can't get any response. And I have found myself even in an older age surprised by how bummed I get.
Joe Lara (02:17)
What are you thinking?
Vector Accelerator (02:46)
and how sometimes I just feel paralyzed. Like I can't, I can't do anything. And then my mind starts spinning. I think of all the things I should be doing, especially if I want to be the kind of person who makes an impact in the world. Like all the voices start coming up and then I get more overwhelmed and more stuck. And, ⁓ I think that's where, and we'll reference probably in the show notes, other conversations, other podcasts we've had, or articles around the science of hope. The science of hope really addresses
that stuckness and the key definition of hope from a science standpoint is that tomorrow is going to be better with the sense that I feel Tomorrow is gonna be better and I have a part to play in making it better And when you're feeling stuck, you're not certainly feeling filled with hope. You're probably feeling helpless I can't do it. I you know tomorrow nothing's good. Nothing good is gonna come and out of that hopelessness You'll probably spin you probably feel worse
and you'll get into a cycle that's just terrible. So stepping back and thinking through what could I do? What are the things that I might do? I can't make this happen. What's something else? Someone else I can call, another lever I can push. And sometimes even just that smallest exercise of thinking about other things I could do, I've found will shift me out of the current perspective. They'll shift me out of the feelings of stock.
Joe Lara (04:12)
Yeah, I love that. think for me, ⁓ the one thing that it's almost guaranteed almost always to work, I've yet to have it fail, is text a friend. And like literally somebody, I could text you and say, dude, I am so stuck right now. And within minutes, I'll probably get, dude, what's up? Let's chat. And it's funny because when I do that,
Vector Accelerator (04:29)
Mm-hmm.
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Joe Lara (04:40)
no matter who it is, sometimes they have, did you try this? Did you try that? The obvious things, which can feel good. And I'll probably say, yep, I already did that. Still feel stuck. But just talking it out, man, like that, that in of itself eases the nerves a bit. And then I like how you said, you know, that the whole idea of hope where, hey, in my career, I've conquered many challenges before I'll get through this one.
Vector Accelerator (04:49)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Joe Lara (05:09)
And when I sleep on it, I'll wake up, I'll feel, what is that phrase from the Matrix? Oh, if you're right as rain, you know, after you eat that cookie, just kind of sleep on it. And sometimes just a little bit of headrest can be a good thing. Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (05:17)
Mm. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Movement, I think it's helpful. ⁓ Resting movement. I mean, these are talking about tactical. These are really tactical things like, am I getting enough sleep? Have I moved my body? think stress for some people just gets stuck in them. And it's a cycle that can kind of paralyze them because you're feeling insecure. Literally, I'm not I'm not secure in my future, which is insecurity, stress, worry, fear, all that stuff. So moving through it, I know you're also a runner.
Joe Lara (05:35)
Mm.
Vector Accelerator (05:54)
You're always exercising, working out like, and me too. It's, the body is so connected to the emotional side of things.
Joe Lara (06:03)
of the best ideas come during those workouts. Have you noticed like maybe you're golfing in the middle of that of a game, you get this neat idea or this thing that helps you propel yourself forward in your professional self or in your family self or other things. It's just it's all connected.
Vector Accelerator (06:08)
Really?
Yeah. And, and, ⁓
I think there's even been good studies about how walking can yield solutions to problems. There's something about the movement that can help your brain connect dots that you hadn't seen before connect ideas. So again, feeling stuck. I don't know what to do. Take a walk, take a 30 minute walk. And there's been good research, you know, in addition to sleeping, journaling, calling a friend. I these are all like the, what you call them, the solid habits.
Joe Lara (06:46)
Mm-hmm.
Vector Accelerator (06:52)
of transition that you need to be just doing no matter what, because there's going to be setbacks. You're going to get stuck for sure. So let's talk about the tactical side. And I think situations are like where you have sent in what they asked for. The employers have asked for and you're not getting response and you've followed up once or twice. Hey, you know, what's the next step? What are you? What are some things that you found that work? What if
What have you heard from other people? What's some advice you can give?
Joe Lara (07:23)
Yeah, what I've heard from other people is kind of the obvious things, but it's still ⁓ you wish you could just reach out and just say, hey, I'm over here. I need a job. I need some sort of response. But people get busy. so it's never personal. I've never had anybody refuse to get back to me because they don't like me. That's just not the case. It's just people are extremely busy. And it's not that you're less important.
Vector Accelerator (07:35)
Yeah.
Right.
Joe Lara (07:53)
It's just that you're competing against many important issues. The people that are hiring, unless they're a full-time ⁓ talent scout within a business, which some businesses have, that's all they do is look for talent, there's still the interview process from the hiring managers and everybody else who typically have full jobs. They are invested in day-to-day activity. And so to bake in a one-hour conversation with you.
Vector Accelerator (08:13)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (08:20)
That's not like baking in an extra hour and you're already busy 40, 50, 60 hour work week is not necessarily an easy thing to do. Even though they want to hire talent, they want to bring you in. So there's a lot of these competing factors. I'm just kind of verbalizing what's behind the screen for you yourself, ⁓ trying to exercise patience and ⁓
Vector Accelerator (08:25)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (08:47)
I would just go down the checklist of like my checklist is am I networking? How many times that I communicate? You don't want to do it too much, right? It's almost like that cringe-worthy constant email follow-up. Hey, just want to follow up, follow up and before now you're annoying, right? So there's some balance there. ⁓ And also getting advice on that. think ⁓ not trying to guess that part on your own.
Vector Accelerator (08:59)
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:11)
trying to think, this is just like dating. No, no, no, like talk to other professionals and find out, hey, what's a good mix of follow-up? ⁓ Those kinds of things I think are good. And there's also really neat ways to follow up. So it's not so desperate about maybe, hey, what's the status of this job? But let's just say the company you're into is doing some really neat work and there's an article that they're involved in. And you shoot them that, hey, I found this article. This is awesome, really cool, right? A little reminder, hey, I'm here.
Vector Accelerator (09:14)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:40)
And
I'm paying attention, right? It's less direct, but it's still effective, right? There's so many different things you can do that aren't as desperate ⁓ in action. Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (09:44)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, you're reminding me.
I had a conversation once with a guy that a fellow that was in the Honor Foundation and he didn't tell me exactly what he did, but he mentioned that he was in intelligence and I was just so fascinated by that because I love spy stuff and I was asking him questions about like, how do you describe your job? I was trying to get him to talk about his job without talking about his job and he just described this process of ⁓ targeting an asset includes getting to know who they are.
what they want, what they care about, what their problems are, and then anticipating those things, presenting those things to them, offering value to them, help them solve problems. And as he's talking, I'm like, dude, that's networking. That's exactly what you're talking about. And I think sometimes we forget that you're not a commodity in that, you know, you're not just like cattle going through that people are just like, Hey, we'll take one of those and two of those. You're a person and so are they.
Joe Lara (10:22)
Mm.
Vector Accelerator (10:46)
They have problems to solve. They have things that they're stressed and worried about. They have problems. Jobs are trying to protect. So how can you anticipate what the hiring people's needs are? What journey are they on? What would make their life better? And I think to your point, I love the idea of sending things that are articles that I thought of that reminded me of you or that you might like, like putting yourself in their shoes. What would they like to see from you? Because you're there to add value to them. You're there to solve problems for them.
Joe Lara (11:12)
Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (11:15)
You're there to make the money, save the money, make them time, save them time. So how can you demonstrate even before you got the job, that you're in that category, you're that kind of person.
Joe Lara (11:27)
That's a great practice to have regardless whether you're looking for a job or not, I think. And that's something that I've been doing a little bit better, not as much as I'd like. It's something I can definitely work on and continue to work on. But even in the stage when you do have a job, it's nurturing the network. It's nurturing the existing relationships, building new relationships, and trying to figure out how can I offer value for you. And what's really neat is the world seems massive.
Vector Accelerator (11:45)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Joe Lara (11:56)
But when you're clear on your values and you're clear on what matters to you, the bubble, the circle of people that are like-minded because you've done this alignment work within Vector, you've done the self-soul searching, the world isn't as big. And you're now networking in places, not just in the US, but I mean, I'm talking to folks in Europe and UAE that are like-minded doing really cool things. And ⁓ that's the fun stuff.
Vector Accelerator (12:08)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Joe Lara (12:26)
That's the exciting stuff. That's what makes life really exciting and not just the mundane 40 hour work week. got a paycheck like a, like a wrote it nibble nibble my cheese, right? No, no, no. Like, like there's so much to offer and receive. So yeah, those are all really great, great things.
Vector Accelerator (12:44)
Yeah, you don't give yourself enough credit for that. You've always kind of self criticized about not keeping in touch with people enough, but I think you do that pretty well. And it is helpful to do that when you're not in crisis. And this is like food for thought for those of you who are in transition, you'll get a job and that is the worst time to stop networking. The best time to network is when you don't need to network so that
Joe Lara (12:51)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (13:10)
when you're in the crisis, and it might not be a crisis, you might just feel like, hey, I'm kind of done here. Or I want to see what else is out there. Or on the contrary, I love when people are quote unquote, networking me, and I have something that I can share with them. So it makes life more fun, more valuable, everything matters and means something. So I know there are people having now gotten some years under my belt, that I only ever see pop up every time they need a job.
Joe Lara (13:18)
Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (13:39)
Like I only ever hear from you, whether it's two years or five years, like it's come back enough times. Like this is like the fourth time you've been in an urgent crisis and you wanna, you now wanna have lunch? Like it's not, you know, it's not time to have lunch for me. I don't care. Fool me once, whatever. So that's, ⁓ I think food for thought. Help yourself five years from now, not get stuck.
Joe Lara (13:56)
I'm
Vector Accelerator (14:05)
by building the relationships, the actual authentic friendships now that you can call upon them then. And you won't be a burden to them, you'll be friends. And friends are never burden to each other. So I know people hate being a burden and they really cringe and oftentimes will not ask for help because of that. So get over that or get through that by actually just being real friends. Be generous with them in season and out of season. I think it says that in Ecclesiastes or something like, just be cool, be a dude.
Joe Lara (14:27)
Mm.
Yeah, yeah.
No, really, really good advice. I mean, all of this is super relevant when you're stuck and when you're not stuck. I think that's what I hear is just, this is just good, good behavior, good, healthy, relational behavior. Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (14:46)
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Well, happy holidays. I'm sure I'll see you again. And if you're getting stuck, call me.
Joe Lara (14:52)
Yeah, we will.
Will do, likewise.