Vector Accelerator (00:00)
So welcome to the Vector Accelerator podcast. I'm excited because I haven't had other guests besides Joe Lara in a while. And I'm excited to have you two guys, especially in this new year, to talk about probably, I was going to say my favorite topic. I'll say it's the top three favorite things to talk about. And that is the hero's journey. So Alex, Rob, welcome. I'd love just for you to take turns, maybe alphabetical order. Who the heck are you? And ⁓ what is it about the hero's journey that's grabbed you?
Alex, go ahead.
Alex Gendzier (00:31)
⁓ thanks. It's great to be with you. so, ⁓ I'm, ⁓ I'm, ⁓ a husband to be. I'm a father, ⁓ my day job. I'm a lawyer. love my day job. ⁓ what I would say here is that the work Rob and I've been doing for the last six years, I think has changed my life and, and it has been infused with the hero's journey and
how we're attempting to reframe and reconsider our own lives and adapt that and use whatever painful lessons we have had to learn in our lives and all of the good stuff for purposes of other folks. And in this case, it's all about serving veterans and military spouses and their families. And I think that we have separately and together a passion and a vision for what this can be.
that we've been executing on and it has been utterly life transformative.
Vector Accelerator (01:37)
Well, okay, perfect, perfect segue. Rob, introduce yourself.
Rob Sarver (01:42)
Yeah, well, thank you for your time and Alex, thanks for that. So I'm Rob Saram, Alex's co-author in this endeavor that we undertook about six years ago. former Naval Academy, Navy SEAL, I did nine years active after seven deployments got out. I've done investment banking, tech consulting, entrepreneurship, private equity, where I met Alex, which I think we'll talk about how the book came about. And then I'm back to entrepreneurship, back on my own.
The hero's journey is significant because at the inception or the start of this idea that Alex and I had, we felt we had something. Alex identified these universal truths that he and I both had in our lives, what I experienced in combat, what he experienced in trauma. And we found ourselves in short order in front of General McChrystal. General McChrystal stopped us when we were talking about the hero's journey in the Odyssey.
and incorporating Greek mythology into our thoughts, he said, guys, stop. The hero's journey is every veteran's tale. And the reason I, when you asked about the hero's journey, but it's not only every veteran's trail or a tale as we follow this arc and we go through this, we actually live it twice. Cause we will enter the military and we will leave that in itself is a completion of this journey. But then we have to refine purpose, refine identity.
and we will go on and have another hero's journey. So it's significant to veterans in that way.
Vector Accelerator (03:15)
Dude, that's awesome.
Alex Gendzier (03:16)
Rob is being kind to me here. the interview with the Disclosure Point General McChrystal was typically, his secretary gave us 20 minutes. It went two hours and 20 minutes. At the end, this was the beginning of our process. This book took six years. This was the beginning of it. And I said, General, I hope you don't mind. I'd like to ask you something that may seem kind of out of the blue, but we are having interviews and seeing patterns that are fundamental, that are moving, that are troubling.
Vector Accelerator (03:18)
Yeah
Alex Gendzier (03:45)
that give us a sense of how we can make a contribution. The animating theme we see in all these stories is how we're adapting the hero's journey. And before I could finish, he said, stop, okay? Just stop. And he's one of the most polite centered guys. So I might be exaggerating. He said, stop, I don't too touchy feely stuff, okay? And I'm thinking, I just screwed up the entire relationship, the entire interview. I'm thinking,
Vector Accelerator (04:06)
⁓ yeah. Whoops. ⁓ Yeah.
Rob Sarver (04:09)
Thank ⁓
Alex Gendzier (04:14)
I'm going to have to apologize to Rob. And then he said, but let me tell you, this is so central to my life. And he spoke for 10 minutes about Homer's Odyssey and then the way Rob described it. the backdrop was Rob being polite to me to spare me this embarrassment. But it was a it was revealing and powerful. Should we should we tell you what we mean by hero's journey?
Vector Accelerator (04:41)
Absolutely. We have touched on it in previous episodes. I think it's a phrase, a term, an idea that gets tossed around. ⁓ But I mean, how many of us remember what we studied in English class in high school? And unless you're nerds like the three of us who have read literature on the hero's journey, I think everybody, including myself, needs at least a primer if not a ⁓ refresh. So yeah, go for it.
Alex Gendzier (05:08)
I'll try and be short. That's not my strong suit. ⁓ So my description may sound kind of esoteric, but in fact, the power of this framework for looking at your life is entirely universal. The hero's journey actually refers to something very specific. It is a way of interpreting and looking at epic tales, the most epic tales of all time.
ancient, modern, east and west. And the modern reinventer of it was this professor at Sarah Lawrence College, Joseph Campbell, who was a brilliant scholar of mythology, ancient tales, and psychology. He combined them and made it adaptable. And his point of view is that all these great, phenomenal tales have a common pattern in life. There's the call to adventure.
leaving what's known and comfortable, going on an adventure. That can take all kinds of forms. This is not just military, but the application to those in the service and their exit is incredibly clear and powerful. There is the journey of the experience itself, and that is one of tremendous adventure. It can be beautiful and fun. It can be combat. It can be tragic. It can be all the above. And in this,
inherently are serving other things and things bigger than oneself. That's phase two. Phase three is the return. You can call it the return to civilian life. And in that return, in the shifting of that mental, emotional passport and where you are, that's when you get hit, if not before, by recognizing what you've done, what you've had to become and grow.
But what is tremendous loss? And in that loss, there is something called grief, which is also not well understood. Grief ain't sadness. Grief's not, I'm having a tough day because I couldn't go to the mall and get the sneakers I wanted. Grief, grief is getting hit by a wave that knocks you on your ass and is neurological. It's chemical. It changes you. It takes your energy. It changes your thoughts.
It's the body's way of metabolizing sadness or loss that is profound and can't be digested all of a sudden. That's part of it. And in this return, there's the opportunity for healing of wounds that are physical and non-physical. And there is a sense of, can I now, when I'm back, incorporate the different parts of my life? So in Homer's Odyssey, Homer fights in Troy for 10 years, right? We know the end of that story.
He comes back, it takes him 10 years to come back to his wife and his son. When he's back, he has to figure out who he is and what his mission is. Is he the father and the husband and the prince of his island? Or is he a warrior that has combat and blood drenching him and all that comes with it? It's an integration of the parts of your life. And the gods, to ease his journey, give him a magic potion. It's not a bottle of expensive water. It's a cup.
of magic potion that allows him to use superpowers that he's developed. But it's in the integration and it's the re-imagining of his life and the different pieces of it and what he has gained in the arrows of his quiver of life experience from before to change who he is today and to lift those, he's gonna slaughter the men in his house chasing his wife in the story of Homer.
He's going to raise and get to know his son again. But he's going to deploy in the most fundamental way these life lessons and the wisdom hard earned to lift himself up and those around him. And in that story is a journey of service, sacrifice, loss, healing, and we believe redemption. So what does this mean when you unpack it further at a higher level of abstraction?
It means every one of us has the opportunity to reconsider and reframe our lives and think of our lives in noble terms as a journey of a hero in this way. So when you come back from military service, having stood on the wall to defend those around you in our country and things bigger than yourself, yet you're back, how do you reframe and reconsider your life to find
new identity, meaning, purpose, service of those around you and the creation of something new. Ultimately, the hero's journey in our application, in our book, is about reframing your life and refinding life purpose. I promised I would try and be short.
Vector Accelerator (10:21)
Hey,
that was not bad. That was pretty short. That's a good summary. That's a whole semester at least in upper division English class. I'm just curious, how did you guys meet? And then what was the spark that led you, the two of you to the hero's journey?
Rob Sarver (10:39)
Yeah, great question. So, new private equity shop had stood up and I did not come from a traditional investment banking background, obviously from the military, but I worked at Goldman doing real estate. ⁓ So they brought me in on kind of like, you the chance because they thought I could do the job. In the background, I had helped Alex's son transfer from W &L to the Naval Academy, you know, even though my 17 years of
Alex Gendzier (10:39)
alcohol.
Rob Sarver (11:09)
⁓ antiquated knowledge there, the admissions. So, but Alex is so grateful. He's like, Rob, we're going to do a one-on-one call. You can ask me any question you want on the private equity markets, capital credit, private credit, whatever it is, tax, the tax consequences. I'll teach you. So we started having these one-on-one calls where he was teaching me about the job that I was fulfilling. And he started asking me more and more questions about a simulation back from combat and how I dealt with things.
And Alex hit me right at a point where I had gone through two professional programs. And now I was working with a counselor who was a Vietnam veteran himself. And for 40 years has been working with combat vets. so Alex hit me right at the right point where I had all these, ⁓ self-realization moments and I was starting to come into my own identity and find my own purpose. And I started telling him like, well, Alex, I didn't, I struggled for two years.
I was sitting in a job behind, you know, two computer screens, pretending I was getting along. Whereas I was actually driving to work and I had such frustration subconsciously, I was actually cracking my molars and my teeth. was grinding so hard going to work. Becoming from out of the SEAL teams to doing this job. And Alex, you know, we ended that call and Alex came back probably a few weeks later and he told me about losing his wife and raising.
to cancer and raising two boys on his own. So we had that conversation and then he came back again and said, Rob, there are these universal themes in our lives. You have gone over and you've done all these tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the world. And here's what I have done for these life and tragedy. when you look at guilt, when you look at grief, when you look at trauma, it really doesn't matter what you've been through. There's a process.
to overcome all of this. ⁓ that's within, everything just kind of fit after that is Rob, should canonize, memorialize what you've been through. And I said, no, like we're not gonna be just another sealed book out on the market. There's like over 350 of them. They said, okay, Rob, like what would it take? I said two things, co-author with me to dilute the brand a little bit. So we're coming at this as, know, shared trauma, shared grief.
you know, people coming together, two lives to, you know, expel ⁓ to our audience, like lessons learned. And we have to write this past special operations, past the military. Anyone who's been through a traumatic event can pick this up and learn the framework of the hero's journey and be able to put themselves at that point along that arc and find comfort that it will continue. They will get help.
Vector Accelerator (14:05)
I love it. Alex, how did you find it? You're an attorney by day, English prof by night.
Rob Sarver (14:14)
Yeah.
Alex Gendzier (14:16)
⁓ So ⁓ raising my two sons became the only mission in my life that mattered for a long, time. And when my older son, they're both hard headed, ⁓ wonderful men, ⁓ told me he wanted to go into the military and this was his path. ⁓
It was a matter of recognizing his spirit and supporting it at the same time, realizing ⁓ my guess, still a guess, that he's going to be, this is going to be his mission one way or another. And there's a certainty that he'll be doing that when I'm not around or he'll be exiting and needing transition help because he will be one of those that will benefit from a guide.
Vector Accelerator (15:09)
Mm.
Alex Gendzier (15:10)
And I thought, I'm not going to be around. So I want to leave him a memo. Hey, Rob, you know, we don't know each other. Help me write a 10 page memo to Gabriel. And, and what we discovered to, that was an inspiration, but that's, that's not what this became about. This became much bigger than that. This became almost immediately after doing interviews. And we've done over the years, over 200 veteran interviews and probably a hundred others.
Because our book is fundamentally multi-dimensional, it is about life coaching, it's about managing transitions, it is deeply spiritual. There's input from profoundly spiritual beings, ⁓ pastors. ⁓ Ultimately, veterans and their spouses animate the stories and the lessons that they try and share. Because you speak to almost any veteran and you tell them what you're up to.
they stop what they're doing to want to help you. And these conversations were profound, some of them really difficult to hear, but nothing you'd ever want to miss. And in Rob and my doing this, apart from this silly idea of a memo, I think what we saw was an ability to come up with a way to do this and to rely on each other.
So I had to explain to Rob, although Rob's made the transition and is a huge success in civilian life in his career, my perspective on seeing these things from having interviewed veterans and working with them, but my side of the life transition and Rob reciprocated. And what we found was if he would describe this to a buddy of yours and you're having a beer with Kurt, you say, there's no way these two guys become buddies and work together. You'd be dead right.
But it was that absolute difference, I think a curiosity and a willingness to form a team that became so obviously workable and interesting and productive. So the way Brene Brown used to conduct her interviews or her books was classic social science and theory. Come up with a theory and see if the data points support it. And if not, what does the aberrational point mean to you? Do you have to reassess whether you're right or whether you've got it backwards?
And what we saw in these interviews, not just was how we came together as a complimentary team, because by the way, Rob has left out that since he got out, he has mentored 10 to 12 veterans a year, which if you know what's involved in that is enormous. There's lives at stake and it's a sobering, serious venture. It's not let's have a beer once in a while and say hi.
Vector Accelerator (17:56)
Yeah, a lot of time. Yeah.
Alex Gendzier (18:06)
And what we found were emerging patterns that brought us together as a team to build around it. And what we saw was there's a ton of books in the space. It's a crowded space. And some are actually good. Some are very valuable. But there was nothing that was a complete guide that felt and recognized the whole human in the transition, let alone the powers of
Vector Accelerator (18:20)
Mm-hmm.
Alex Gendzier (18:33)
mythic tales and veterans wisdom from ancient times and modern times to be very practical. As General McChrystal told us we had to be, be practical or what you're going to do is worthless, he said. And he was right. And how do you package that in a way that's commercially viable with an editor that doesn't know anything about it? And how do you distinguish yourself? So this was a continual journey.
with different angles. example, we would send the book out every other month to people to say, tell us what you think, be tough with us, because we're not doing this to have a book on the shelf because we like our names in print. And one of Rob's teammates, who became an inspirational figure in recovery from physical injury, said, this is my interpretation, what's the matter with you two? You don't have anything about spouses. We thought,
Vector Accelerator (19:14)
Right. Right.
Hmm.
Alex Gendzier (19:32)
crap, he's right. So we took six months to rewrite the book and interview
Vector Accelerator (19:33)
Whoops. Forgot. Yeah. ⁓
Alex Gendzier (19:39)
spouses, including Rob's mother. ⁓ It was a continual process. So Rob, take away, add.
Rob Sarver (19:48)
I mean, I think you summarized perfectly with the book, it set us, with each revision, it set us down a new path. Let's go explore ⁓ moral injury. People don't really talk a lot about that. The things that shatter the moral compass. How do we recover from these things? What are the frameworks we can look at for this? ⁓ Because we always talk about the physical or the psychological, the PTSD, the TBI. ⁓
going and finding those experts. And then we actually talk about the psychedelics. Some people swear by it. This is what has been able to recover them. And I know it's split on the science and people figure that out, it's so, the feedback we got from veterans was so interesting and so educational that we felt it deserved a place in the book. That it is a form of medicine, it's science, it's there for them to look at.
whether going or right. Here's the knowledge, here's what happens to see you know what you're getting into.
Vector Accelerator (20:51)
Rob, one of you said that there's like 350 books out there from former team guys. And I'm just curious for you step into this world and becoming an author. I can just imagine you had to overcome a few things and curious if you can talk about that. And also if you can go back and have a conversation with like 15 year old you and fast forward today, having written a book, like what would be surprising about that?
Rob Sarver (20:57)
Yes.
I had to learn to write, that was the hardest part. No. Had trans, I didn't have, I couldn't write. ⁓
Vector Accelerator (21:25)
Tip one.
You
Rob Sarver (21:35)
Yeah, no, great, great question. So what I had to overcome, and I think largely this was, I'll put this back to Alex. had, we, lot of us, I'll say a majority of us, probably 99 % understand that, okay, yes, the quiet professionals, but it's not just being quiet. It's also silent. We just don't talk about the things. There's enough out there about digging the foxhole or being on the helicopter for that, you know, coming off the helicopter at night for that special op. Like there's enough of that.
This is unique. This is helping people get through trials. And Alex kind of gave me two things to think about that kind of brought me around. One is looking back at Native Americans, the warrior society. They come back and they have lived on this French. They have gone and grown and got these battle scars. They are the ones that have to come back with the wisdom to teach. And I go to my second point.
going and being a SEAL and being in special operations, we have exposed ourselves to every human behavior there is. And we've gone out, we've done these amazing things, these incredible things. We've gone out with this, and I love, and I love McRaven the way he phrases this, the fierceness of a warrior and a lion, but we've also had to turn the corner in a moment's notice and have the subtle hands of a diplomat. We've lived this massive spectrum and we've pushed these fringes and what that's done,
Vector Accelerator (22:56)
Mm. Yeah.
Rob Sarver (23:04)
That life or that curve has pushed us to this different level of learning experience and lessons learned. Obviously, there's there's the bat. ⁓ Part of that is coming back and teaching society. And that's where I point back to Alex, like he made me see that and I said, OK, I can get over this to help people. I can get over this. Exactly, it's not about me. Let's leave all the combat and all this other stuff aside. Yeah.
Vector Accelerator (23:11)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not about you.
Yeah, that's
so interesting. I remember the first time. So I started working with the Honor Foundation when they first started back in 2014 ish. And the first night I ever went in was early stage of trying to figure out what this organization was and what the really more or less the curriculum. And so I had been working with high school kids up to that point, college students, and helping them transition to life. And I was invited in to come and do the same thing. At that point, you know, it was primarily for Navy SEALs. And I
Rob Sarver (23:36)
deal. Yes.
Vector Accelerator (24:01)
I wish I prepared, I wish I'd asked questions. I didn't. I just walk into the classroom and I was like, hey guys, we're gonna open up tonight and talk about what you've been through. And within like a minute, no joke, some guy raises his hand and goes, hey, with all due respect, you don't know about our creed and being quiet professionals. And I was like, it makes sense. I wasn't an idiot, but I was like, But the problem was I had three more hours to work with them. ⁓
I just without, wish I had been able to say what Alex said about the hero's journey. Like give me 10 minutes to frame the hero's journey and why I didn't. I just kind of said, could you please give me like five more minutes and then we'll, as we start telling stories. And so I'm kind of circling back to what you're sharing. Like there is an extraordinary amount of gold in the lessons that you all have learned and experienced in real time, not from reading books, but from.
Experience and that's just a different authority when you speak when you share and I know there's obviously the the hangers on the people that want to live vicariously Through you which I include myself in that it's it's awesome. I love being able to help you buy I got friends who are Navy Sails. It's so cool but more than anything it's like I I am impacted in a deeper more profound more spiritual way when I get to actually hear these principles that you have come to not because you heard
a talk somewhere or read a book or saw an Instagram post, but because you concluded that based on your experiences and as you all have learned together in combat or in diplomatic situations, this is how life works. And I just truly appreciate your perspective Bill say, hey, it's time for me to share this because I couldn't agree with you more and I'm grateful for it.
Rob Sarver (25:46)
Thank you for that.
Alex Gendzier (25:46)
Scott,
you're hitting on incredibly essential points in responding to Rob. And what we began to see as an animating power of these interviews were very simple, basic life things that are incredibly ancient. The power of listening to each other and speaking and bearing witness.
You have to have a little trust and credibility. So I have walked in your shoes, shoes of walking into a room where there's no way I can have quick credibility. It develops over time. You have to earn it. ⁓ But the power of listening to each other as humans is irreplaceable. It's irreplaceable in our human relationships, in our marriages, in our work with teammates, our work in at business. In that.
is the intense and powerful role of storytelling. So it's no wonder that great movies and plays, the adaptation of these essential life stories from modern ancient times has a transformative effect on us. It allows us to take that journey without having, without needing a that's 500 pages long, that's dry and academic and worthless. It transports you if you allow yourself
Vector Accelerator (27:05)
That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Alex Gendzier (27:13)
to be there and it transports you in a way where walking out of that storytelling moment, you can wonder, how do I use this for my life? ⁓ I think Rob and I in each of these moments would walk away and we can tell you about some of these incredible discussions, ⁓ humbled, motivated and wanting not to waste a minute.
of the suffering we feel we've had in our lives for other people. We were at a boulder crest opening in Texas of a facility and there was one of the guys who was with Senator McCain at the Hanoi Hilton. And one of his mantras is never waste a moment of suffering in your life. And it is a compact statement given what he went through for six years in the cell that was three feet by six feet.
Vector Accelerator (28:07)
Ciao.
Alex Gendzier (28:11)
And in these things are just tremendous stories that can transform lives and also the realization that we cannot let ourselves be isolated, that healing happens in community. And this is evident in Native American stories, ancient Greek and Roman stories, but many others. Those are the ones that we quickly got to. You're hitting on very important life things.
Vector Accelerator (28:22)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, Rob, you mentioned the conversation about moral injury, how rarely it happens. I would add when it does, you know, I hate using the phrase it's too late, but because that's never true. But it typically happens downstream, you know, ⁓ after things have become untenable or ⁓ crisis moment. And I'm curious for you, the two of you just to share a little bit about your vision. You have a book.
I know you're working on more than that. What is, if you can wave your magic wand or fast forward five years from now, what is the future state as you see it, as it relates to serving, supporting veteran transition?
Rob Sarver (29:23)
Yeah, great question. I'll start with kind of the high level is, when we looked at this, there's 200 to 250,000 veterans coming out of the service ⁓ every year. And the systems, there are great systems, the DOD and the VA, they do have their systems in place. But you also have to look at the other side of that. There's 40,000 VSOs to pick up the support where the VA and the DOD cannot.
And I understand some of those are, you know, to remember the fallen, but largely a lot of them are there to help veterans after service. And you just can't support that. So Alex and I are, think our initial mission was like, okay, we wrote the book, right? But what was the kind of the, you know, the esoteric or the, you know, the transcendent cause here that we would come to. And that was we want to touch a million lives. And if we could reduce the stress of anyone getting out.
because over 70 % of veterans have stress, but it's the ones that fall through the crack that kind of go down the spiral. They turn to self-medication of drugs and alcohol, other risky behaviors, and then they end up dying or committing suicide. So that was the overarching mission for Alex and I was let's take these lessons to corporate America. And that's where...
Dr. Josh Cotton was kind of a piece with this. He's like, guys, just think of, think of what would happen to GDP if we could employ everybody coming out of the service. I mean, it's a staggering thought. You can't even quantify what that would do. But that's what set us on this consulting mission. That's what set us on the speaking mission. That's what helped us, you know, refine, okay, veterans integration programs. Like what do they look like? I went through one, it started off successful, and then it failed miserably on the back.
Vector Accelerator (30:55)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Rob Sarver (31:16)
because they try to get too big too fast and they would not listen to the lessons learned coming before. So Alex and I have taken all this. We've taken those lessons learned and we've packaged this into our own consulting business going out to other companies to help. Alex, do you add anything to that?
Vector Accelerator (31:32)
Awesome.
Alex Gendzier (31:35)
think that's really it. The only thing I would add is in the way in our interviews for the book, we saw patterns of success and challenge. We began to study how companies hire veterans, what the veteran can bring to that equation, what the employer brings to it. And what are the factors that routinely, systematically go into how companies do this or not? Six or 7 % of US companies have a veteran hiring.
Vector Accelerator (31:59)
Mm-hmm.
Alex Gendzier (32:04)
integration program of any kind. Of the Fortune 500, 40 % don't. Of those that do, it's usually well intended and rarely very effective when you actually study it. That is not to crap on these efforts which are very well intended and often successful in some way. But if you take a systematic consulting-based approach to success and failure,
than what Rob is describing as great power.
Vector Accelerator (32:36)
Yeah, how as folks are listening to this, ⁓ what's the path? How do we get connected by the book? Where do we buy the book? mean, just walk me through what it looks like to engage with you guys.
Rob Sarver (32:53)
Alex, please.
Alex Gendzier (32:55)
our book is on Amazon and other places. it has been a best seller on and off, which has been heartwarming to us in terms of what we hope our impact could be. ⁓ we have a website heroes hyphen journey.net. ⁓ our emails are there. We're available for helping folks. We're available for coaching. We're available. We have a variety of programs. I won't bore you now, but.
It's a full-fledged thing and we want to have the impact that Rob described.
Vector Accelerator (33:29)
Yeah. Rob, is this the you mentioned being an entrepreneur now back to that kind of world? this is this it or is there something else you got going on?
Rob Sarver (33:37)
This is one of the things that I have going on, yes.
Vector Accelerator (33:40)
Yeah.
What else? What else you got cooking?
Rob Sarver (33:42)
⁓ I've attempted to go into the finance world and reinvent all wonderful skills that I've acquired, but I've actually found myself going back into security. I work with state and federal governments putting together security packages for the critical infrastructure schools. ⁓
Vector Accelerator (33:53)
cool.
That's awesome.
Yeah, good. Thank you. Thanks for doing that. Well, guys, so thrilled to have you guys. mean, seriously, we got us. This is again favorite conversation of mine. I think we just are scratching the surface because someone who is listening to this and thinking about OK, hero's journey, I just you go and try to read hero with a thousand faces. And it's like so overwhelming. So I would say first step by your book, try to understand the framework and then.
Rob Sarver (34:05)
Thank
Vector Accelerator (34:29)
get to work reflecting on your life. And I think that's, there's a piece of that that's pen and paper and reflecting and introspection, but the, you know, introspection goes better when it's done out loud. So grab a buddy and just set the context. Let's, let's talk about what we've been through now. It shaped us. And that's the start of your own, putting the pieces together of your hero's journey.
That's obviously why Vector Accelerator exists. That's what Honor Foundation gets to do and why we get to partner with guys like this. So thanks for listening. We'll be back soon for another episode and we'll see you soon.
Alex Gendzier (35:07)
Thank you.
Rob Sarver (35:08)
Thank you.
