Scott Schimmel (00:01)
Doing it live. This morning
Joe Lara (00:01)
I tr I always trust you, Scott. You gotta love these moments. Let me no script.
Scott Schimmel (00:06)
we were running an azimuth chat for 609 veterans. I don't know how many were
Joe Lara (00:12)
It's growing.
Scott Schimmel (00:13)
awake or paying attention. I could at least see three screens of 25. So let's call it 75 live veterans. And what we posed to them was: how do you ultimately make a decision about what you're going to do? So
Then the position of where we see vector, what I was sharing with him is that we see vectors all the way upstream. So if in in the in the flow of veteran transition, typically, you know, it feels like white water rapids that you jump into. And then people are just throwing you like, here's an ore and here's a life vest. And that's like
Joe Lara (00:49)
Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (00:50)
a resume and it's a LinkedIn profile. And then you're just like, And then what you don't realize is that there's like
There's a bunch of forks to this river. There's like 50 of them. And what they didn't give you necessarily was a map or compass, a way to figure out where to go, what's the best choice that you you know, you don't have GPS. So we see vector as when you jump in the river, like we're actually gonna grab you by the life preserver and pull you back into the into the shallows for a few minutes and reflect on who you are and what drives you, what
What's gonna guide you through all this stuff? Ultimately, you know, we wanna help you get in the river and do well and survive. And again, at some point you're gonna get to the point where there's a fork. Do you go left or right? Do you move here or there? Do you take this job or that job? And so we've been working on this more or less diagnostic tool that can
Joe Lara (01:46)
Uh-huh.
Scott Schimmel (01:46)
remove some of the mystery that many people lean upon to make core life decisions like intuition or gut or prayer.
And those things are bad are good, not bad. They can be very helpful. And many people look back on their best decisions and say, I don't know. I just felt like it was the right thing to do. And they did it. however, we can do more. And we looked at this tool. It's called the Don't F it Up Assessment. And it's essentially
Joe Lara (02:13)
Mm.
Scott Schimmel (02:14)
a research-based way to look at the different dynamics of a decision and the factor to which they're going to influence the outcomes. And so it looks at two things.
Will you, if you do this, be successful and will you be happy? And it's really goes back to like intrinsic reasons and extrinsic reasons. And what research shows, you can you can pursue things for extrinsic reasons like impressing others, making money, good money, because people expect you to. Those are extrinsic external things. You can do it and pull it off, but chances are you won't be as successful or fulfilled as you wish you were. Or
Joe Lara (02:53)
Mm.
Scott Schimmel (02:54)
You can figure out what your values are, what you're drawn to, what kind of difference you want to make in the world. And if you can connect some of those dots, you can maybe reimagine the thing you were going to do with greater resolve or look at some other opportunity. And the research then shows if you're drawn to intrinsic things, you'll be more successful because you can persist longer and it'll be more fulfilling.
I want to ask you, Joe, that was a long preamble, maybe the longest I've ever given on a podcast. And my preamble would be:
Joe Lara (03:27)
Ha ha
Scott Schimmel (03:30)
this is for you, veteran guy, when was the first decision that you had to make? And how would this maybe have helped you either make a different decision or be more conscious?
Joe Lara (03:46)
Mm. I mean
Scott Schimmel (03:47)
And and boy,
Rudy is going off today with those sets thorne.
Joe Lara (03:51)
My dog is loud. He's the mic is working very well.
Scott Schimmel (03:58)
That does your tummy.
Joe Lara (03:59)
Yeah, no, no, that's that's my dog. Rudy. so the decisions, the first decisions I think it was
Gosh, I mean, I was already building my it seems like a 20-page resume, government resume. Like if you do government jobs, and I don't know if you know this, Scott, but the the resume is ridiculous. It's not like a one-page or two-page resume that civilians normally provide for regular jobs. For some reason, government jobs, the expectation is this something that's like pages long. And that doesn't happen overnight. And this is before AI. So I was
Just hand jamming
Scott Schimmel (04:41)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (04:41)
this thing, just pulling in my old military evals of like budgets and and dollar signs and and people that I led and all this stuff and just kind of compiling it into this thing that's a beast. And and then I remember sitting with the civilian who was just curious to see because I I wanted other people to see it. And I was like, Have you ever seen a government resume? And they're like, No. And they're like,
Their mouth like fell open. They're like, what is this? Like, this is not a you're you're not gonna send this in, are you? And that's what I was getting. But but I was like, no, this is not for regular, this is like government work. This is kind of the expectation. Like, my gosh, it's ridiculous. But then I started like thinking about like, why why why are they saying that? Like, what is what is so wrong with this? Or is this even wrong? And it's not a matter of it is wrong or right. I think it was just a matter of I was just so ingrained and so
Scott Schimmel (05:37)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (05:38)
I guess front sight focused,
Scott Schimmel (05:40)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (05:40)
not considering the peripherals. And I think having having some sort of navigation tool or some sort of way to say, hey, there's a lot of stuff in the peripherals. Did
Scott Schimmel (05:53)
Uh-huh.
Joe Lara (05:54)
you even stop to like turn your head to the left or right and see
what's over there? Like
Scott Schimmel (05:57)
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (05:59)
that didn't happen until I met you and you know, the questions that we have inside Vector. It went wasn't until I had this that I could actually
stop and slow down and look around. Yeah.
Scott Schimmel (06:10)
And that was those kinds of questions that I remember for you were what kind of problems do you want solve with your life? And what are you what are you wired for? And I remember you were starting to what do you hate? Yeah, yeah. What
Joe Lara (06:21)
What do you hate? What do you hate? What do you love?
Scott Schimmel (06:25)
what pisses you off?
Joe Lara (06:26)
One of my favorite questions that you
asked me was, Joe described your perfect day. I'm like, wait, what are we talking about here? Describe your perfect day, Joe. And
Scott Schimmel (06:36)
Anything.
Joe Lara (06:37)
dude, I began it, I remember vividly. I wake up to the smell of pancakes in the air. Dude, and I I loved writing that out.
Scott Schimmel (06:46)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (06:47)
Cause you're like, hey, write it all the way till you go back to bed and you shut your eyes.
Scott Schimmel (06:50)
Uh-huh.
Joe Lara (06:51)
And everything in between. It was just so fun to think about that. Dude.
Priceless, priceless exercise.
Scott Schimmel (06:56)
Yeah. And that's
so funny because we I think see when we're talking to veterans who are in the early stage of their transition process, there's just like big buckets like project management, data analytics, like you know, when we're
Joe Lara (07:10)
Yeah. HR.
Scott Schimmel (07:13)
yeah, what do you what do you think about doing? And they're just kind of putting these and there's not a lot of buckets, there's like five of them. You just hear it over and over again. And yet asking that question.
I've never heard two people share the same perfect day. Maybe not even half of the same perfect day. I would never say pancakes. I don't like pancakes. I would say raisin brand. But it gets to no. It's true.
Joe Lara (07:31)
What razor brand, first of all, has no smell.
Scott Schimmel (07:37)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Raisin brand. I smell boring. I smell old man. That's what my kids would say. Yeah.
Joe Lara (07:42)
Total. Remember total?
Scott Schimmel (07:45)
I I love Total. That's top shelf raisin brand, dude. I get like I get like Ralph's brand.
I'm a frugal old man. But it what it points to that question is it's it you're right, it gets to the intrinsic stuff. It gets to wait a second, like what you know, it it's pulling upstream. And then when you get back downstream to the actual decision, which which way will align more to how I am and how I'm naturally wired. What I was hearing this morning in this asthma chat, there's some folks that were sharing, and they were literally contradicting themselves as they shared.
Here's what I want
Joe Lara (08:22)
Mm.
Scott Schimmel (08:22)
do, here's what I'm wired for, here's what I'm excited about. But you know, I can't do that because I gotta take care of my wife or my kids or I gotta go there. And then I'm like, okay, cool. But and let's just for this exercise, let's go back up a little bit. And then and I get it, because that's the war that we're all in. The sh the shoulds on one side and then the draw on the other. And this side just feels so selfish, maybe, or self-consumed, or too good to be true. But I'm I'm
Joe Lara (08:48)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Scott Schimmel (08:50)
what I
curious for you is what is it about the maybe the military mindset military culture that makes this side sound stronger because I kept hearing people say you just got to be selfish and I'm like I'm not actually talking about being selfish this isn't about being selfish or not and that's an interesting lens on what we're talking about.
Joe Lara (09:10)
Yeah, it's this word that keeps coming up right now. It's sacrifice. Right. So we talked about sacrifice maybe a couple of weeks ago on the asthmuth chat with the veterans. But it's talk we were talking about like values and what do you value? Or, you know, what what do you which is I think module two. It's part of part of module two. It's like what do you value
Scott Schimmel (09:28)
Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:30)
most? What's important to you? And usually the things that matter the most to somebody, there's also a sacrifice a sacrifice component to it.
Like, you know what I mean? Like like if it's like, I I love freedom. I want freedom. Okay.
Scott Schimmel (09:42)
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:45)
If you want freedom, what are you sacrificing for that freedom? Well, I might not, you know, I I want the freedom of being my own boss. So I might not have healthcare because I'm gonna start my own thing, right?
Scott Schimmel (09:54)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Joe Lara (09:58)
Or, you know, or it no matter what you say, what you value, there's gotta be some level of sacrifice, right? Now, hanging on that word sacrifice, it's go to the military.
What do veterans sacrifice the minute they raise their hand to take that oath? A lot. More
Scott Schimmel (10:13)
yeah.
Joe Lara (10:14)
than we're talking about freedom of speech sometimes, you know, all freedom to just speak freely. You you're giving that up. You are sacrificing f
Scott Schimmel (10:20)
Yeah. Freedom to organize your day.
Joe Lara (10:24)
freedom to wear what you want to wear and express yourself
Scott Schimmel (10:26)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (10:29)
and just quit whenever you want to. Like you are sacrificing so much. So from
Scott Schimmel (10:31)
Yeah. And you're freely
choosing that, from what I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. This is not conscripted service we're talking about. Yeah.
Joe Lara (10:36)
You're volunteering to sacrifice, right? But we don't but the recruiters don't say it that
way. And and otherwise you wouldn't have anybody join, right? Hey, come join and sac but sacrifice a lot. You know, nope. You don't need identity. and
Scott Schimmel (10:48)
Yeah. Let it all go. huh.
Joe Lara (10:54)
and so it that the after a while, after one year of sacrificing at a higher level than I think most people sacrifice, and then do it another year and then another year.
And then get to that crossroads where it's like, you know what? This is actually not a bad career. I'm gonna stay in for one more tour. Now it becomes 10 years. You
Scott Schimmel (11:10)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:13)
know what? I'm gonna do it a little bit longer. Now it becomes 20.
Scott Schimmel (11:16)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:16)
You've sacrificed for 20 years. So much so that Scott, and I don't I think you I've shared this with you. I don't know if I've shared on the podcast, but my second son, he was born. I didn't see him until he was four months old. Does that mean I don't love my son? Absolutely not. I would die for him.
Scott Schimmel (11:28)
Yeah, that's well. Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:33)
But the things you sacrifice.
It
Scott Schimmel (11:36)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:37)
and we take it for granted, like we just kinda we're so used to it. So that when the conversation switches over to hey, imagine you don't have to sacrifice these things. You can actually put the value you want ahead of yourself, ahead of everything else. Like, what is that thing?
Scott Schimmel (11:53)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (11:53)
that's that's greedy. That's that's self centered. No, it's not. It's you've been contained in this bubble for f at least four years,
if not
Scott Schimmel (12:02)
Yeah,
Joe Lara (12:03)
longer.
Scott Schimmel (12:03)
yeah. Yeah.
Joe Lara (12:05)
I mean, that's really what
it boils down to is sacrificing and and letting go. And of course there's still a little bit of nuance there, but yeah, you
Scott Schimmel (12:12)
Yeah.
Joe Lara (12:12)
you get what I'm saying.
Scott Schimmel (12:13)
Well, I appreciate there's someone in the comments this morning that just said, This seems like one of those conversations that I know is important, but I'm not ready for. And I just it was just great. It was a great admission. And
Joe Lara (12:24)
Yeah. I love it.
Scott Schimmel (12:28)
I'm sure and I saw a bunch of thumbs up to that comment. And I'm sure that person, you know, speaks for lots. but as you're listening, like we you know, if this resonates.
This is what's inside Vector. Love to have you go through the course. We'd love to invite you to an azimuth chat. Come and experience this. You might not even be in in in transition as a veteran. We were just talking to someone the other day who found Vector Accelerator and we said, So where, you know, what's your transition, you know, story? And this guy said, I was actually, I've been transitioned for 30 years. And he was at some military conference or booth or something, and someone told him about Vector, and he's like,
I don't know what I'm doing next and I don't know if this is available for me. And we're like, hundred percent, it's available to you. So you might not be in transition, but you are, because you know the thing that you're doing ain't really working. It's not really the right thing.
Joe Lara (13:21)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.
Scott Schimmel (13:23)
So we wanna invite you into it. And th these are the kinds of conversations around mindset, around vision, around who you are and and we wanna pull you upstream a little bit so you can make the best choices downstream. So Joe, thank you for not your service but your sacrifice.
Joe Lara (13:40)
Thanks for helping me and many veterans get through this.
Scott Schimmel (13:46)
Hurrah
Ha ha ha.